Lady of the deep (Siren) fans

How would the first encounter have gone if the Lady had focused more on a direct seduction centered on her attractiveness? What is your opinion on this?"

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Lady of the deep (Siren) fans

What do you think of the movement Popeye makes while stretching out his lips to kiss the Lady? I like how Popeye almost seems to give himself some momentum with his neck, slightly lowering his head. He does it the first time too, although slightly less noticeably.

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It is interesting to note how, during their first encounter, the Lady acts in a much more romantic and complicit way towards Popeye. This is particularly visible during the end of the scene where, as she holds his hand while he steps off his ship, she tells him, 'Come to me! Forget everyone else!' and then, 'No one else matters, only you and I.'

These phrases differ greatly from the ones uttered by the Lady during the clash with Popeye's family, during which she claimed him as her property and treated him like a mere puppet. But these phrases also differ from how she treated him before the family interrupted them, especially when she orders him to give her a kiss.

Although even in that instance the Lady appears kind to him, we must not forget how she nevertheless reveals to him without hesitation that a kiss would make him her slave.
At the end of their first encounter, instead, the Lady seems to truly put 'US' before 'HER'. Telling him that only the two of them matter is an intimate and romantic way to isolate him and to make their couple feel important in the sailor's eyes.

What do you guys think?

3 weeks ago | [YT] | 7

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A question: why doesn't Popeye resume the kiss? Let me explain: the Lady had ordered him to give her a kiss, an order that Popeye continued to follow by keeping his lips puckered even when they were interrupted.

Then he got lassoed with the life ring, yanked backward, and caught mid-air by the dolphin's tail when the Lady hurled lightning bolts at the rope and the boat. So the order was absolute, and his will was entirely devoted to it. Then he stopped puckering his lips and turned to look at the boat, shrugging and smiling, as you already know. Well, having done that, why doesn't Popeye go back to puckering his lips?

He stopped because he wanted to look at the situation behind him—okay, he could have done that with his lips puckered too, but fine, let's give him a pass on that. But then why doesn't he start again? Why does he listen to the Lady flexing, let himself be grabbed under the arm, and now let himself be supported and have his head lifted, without going back to carrying out the absolute order (which in fact was never completed) when there isn't even a real reason why its execution should have been interrupted?"

4 weeks ago | [YT] | 6

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We need to talk about the moment when Popeye stops keeping his lips puckered for the kiss and turns toward the now-sinking boat.

Why is this scene so important, even though it lasts only a few moments? Well, because it's curious to note how Popeye stops following the order the Lady gave him. Don't get me wrong, Popeye still wants to kiss her with all his being, I'm sure of that, but let's just say he momentarily stops trying.

The funny thing is that up until that point, from the exact instant the Lady ordered him to do it, Popeye had never stopped attempting the kiss. Not even after being lassoed, yanked, used as the rope in a human tug-of-war, yanked again, caught by the dolphin's tail, and after seeing his mistress hurl a lightning bolt not once, but twice. None of these rather tumultuous events had made him waver or deterred him from his goal. He wanted that kiss and didn't want to stop trying to give it and receive it.

So why does he stop now? Why does he suddenly decide to pull his lips back and do something the Lady didn't order him to do?

Aside from being definitive proof that Popeye still has enough clarity of mind and independence to act on his own (which obviously doesn't work in his favor if we consider that Popeye is, therefore, perfectly aware of his every action), it makes you think that what makes him stop (I repeat, momentarily) obeying the Lady is entirely his own decision. During the clash between his family and the Lady, Popeye had been jolted around so much that if he had stopped keeping his lips puckered, it would have been completely understandable. But no, he stops doing it afterwards, in the dead calm of the Lady's now-certain victory.

You have to wonder what Popeye was hoping to see by turning around. I imagine he had perfectly understood that those were his family members, and seeing the ship gave him the definitive confirmation. But really, what did he expect to find? What did he want to see? What kind of outcome did he crave so much that he'd stop obeying his queen just to turn around and verify it?

1 month ago | [YT] | 5

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Lady of the deep (Siren) fans

Sometimes I think Popeye's response shouldn't have been "I cannot resist you!" but "I don't want to resist you!", so as to make it clearer that Popeye was truly convinced he wanted to be with her.
"I cannot" almost seems like a kind of surrender to something he wants.

What do you think?

1 month ago | [YT] | 8

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Why do you think Popeye's head stays down in this scene after the Lady abruptly places him on the dolphin's back? Well, we've already established that Popeye isn't a mindless zombie or puppet, but that he has a resourceful spirit even when hypnotized. A few seconds earlier, he had smiled at the impending death of his loved ones, and before that, he had called the Lady "my queen," all gestures he had made on his own initiative.

So why, in this scene only, does he stay down like that after the Lady lays him down? What's your opinion or theory on the matter?
If it was because he wanted to look at her feet, well, in that case, I'd totally understand. Hahaha.

1 month ago | [YT] | 5

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I love the subtle detail of this scene: the fact that the Lady manages to bring Popeye so close to her that he almost tries to kiss her. The little details are commendable, like the obvious effort the Lady has to make in pulling Popeye towards her, or the Lady's left leg vibrating profusely from the effort.

The Lady was once again so close to kissing Popeye, and the fact that she managed to hold her own against Brutus, Pappy, and the others for a brief moment speaks to the extent of her physical strength. It's also beautiful to see Popeye being pulled, pulled, and distraught, yet without him ever showing the slightest sign of pain or hesitation about the kiss.

What do you think?

1 month ago | [YT] | 8

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This won't be a post full of analysis or theories, but only full of praise for this scene.

Guys, how legendary this sequence is: the Lady ordering Popeye to kiss her, her lips ready before even hearing his response; Popeye feeling the consequences of the kiss and in response accepting to kiss her, even calling her "my queen."

What a masterpiece of a scene! It seemed as if the writer wanted to push Popeye to the brink of humiliation; but Popeye in that moment didn't feel humiliated in the slightest; in fact, it was perhaps the moment of greatest clarity of his entire life. For the first time, he knew what he wanted and desired with all his heart to have it.

Share your thoughts on this legendary scene. It doesn't matter if we've already talked about it, certain beauties need to be constantly dusted off and discussed; there's no limit to what can be said.

1 month ago (edited) | [YT] | 9

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Let's use the comments from the last post about the Lady's appearance to ask ourselves a question that doesn't have a real answer and can only be answered through speculation.

The Lady is gorgeous, let's start with this premise. She is probably the most beautiful woman to ever appear in the entire Popeye franchise, whether it's in the movies, cartoons, or comics. What makes her beautiful is a distinct realism in her design; in fact, she isn't stylized or grotesque like Popeye or Olive. She is well-proportioned, with the cheekbones and facial features of a real woman. The only thing that makes her different from a real person is perhaps the excessive length and thinness of her beautiful legs—but really, that's a minor detail compared to the difference between a real person and Popeye & co.

Because of this, I find myself asking: why? Why did they choose this design for the Lady, when they could have easily chosen not to and given her a look more in line with the rest of the cast?

In the Popeye cartoons, which the film is inspired by (more so than the comics), women considered "attractive" often appear, and they aren't in the least bit similar to the Lady. The Sea Hag herself disguises herself at least twice as Rose of the Sea (the cartoon counterpart of the Lady), and even though she is clearly depicted as an attractive woman, you can't help but notice the stylistic resemblance to Popeye and the others. It also has to be said that Olive herself is considered a beautiful woman, with both Popeye and Bluto constantly competing for her. In some episodes, when they meet her for the first time (the episodes are all standalone, at least the old ones), they fall in love with her immediately, and not for her personality.

So, if Olive is inherently the standard of a beautiful woman in the Popeye universe, why does the Lady have a design that transcends the very logic of her narrative universe?

If they wanted a tempting siren character, they could have achieved that by giving her a look that was perhaps just slightly more attractive than Olive. On a narrative level, the important thing was that it worked on Popeye, not the viewer. Instead, it seems that with the Lady, they primarily wanted to seduce the people watching the film rather than the film's protagonist himself.

A theory of mine—and I emphasize MINE—is that the Lady might have been a design from some other project that never came to fruition. Maybe she was the villain of a canceled animated movie, but having already created the sketches and the 3D model, they decided to reuse it for the Popeye film. Supporting this theory is a pretty significant factor: in almost 11 minutes of making-of footage, the Lady is never even mentioned in passing. They just show a quick clip of her singing, but it was taken directly from the film, meaning it was added during the editing phase. When they show the sketches or hand-drawn artwork, she never appears—and trust me, I've rewatched that making-of many times.

I'm not saying the Lady's role wasn't already in the script; I'm talking specifically about her design and appearance. It was probably always planned for the Hag to transform, but maybe she was originally supposed to turn into a woman more similar to Olive.

But as I said, this is just my speculation. What do you guys think of this theory and all the points raised in the post? Let me know.

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